Microsoft will not ship SharePoint Foundation 2016!

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Update : We now have an active discussion at “What’s happening to SharePoint Designer in SharePoint 2016 – is it dead?

In a YamJam on the O365 Yammer Network, Bill Baer announced that SharePoint Foundation 2016 will not be shipped!

I guess SharePoint Designer, SharePoint Foundation and InfoPath are now having a big retirement party. What other product do you think it’s next on the death row?

More details to come!

Update1: Are you using SharePoint Foundation? If Yes, BIll Baer himself wants to hear how you use it!

Using #SharePoint Foundation? Let me know how @ [email protected]

— Bill Baer (@williambaer) May 14, 2015

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Microsoft will not ship SharePoint Foundation 2016!

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- Vlad is a SharePoint and Office 365 Consultant specializing in SharePoint and SharePoint Online deployments as well as hybrid scenarios. As a Pluralsight Author, Microsoft Certified Trainer and recognized international speaker, Vlad has helped thousands of users and IT Pros across the globe to better understand and to get the most out of SharePoint.

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    Dale Howard
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    I would be careful installing the new Office 2016 preview, if you have access to it, because if upon installation, it treats SP Foundation the same way it does InfoPath, it will uninstall it. Then it will not be possible to install it back along side 2016. Not sure if this is intentional, or a bug. 

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    Christian Buckley
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    While MS is not creating a 2016 version of Foundation, I would be surprised if they did not offer some updates around it. Having said that, the initial idea behind WSS/Foundation was to provide an easy (free) entry point for prospective SharePoint customers….which Office 365 now provides very inexpensively. While I understand that there are many customers using Foundation, it does not make much sense for Microsoft to continue providing a free version, as those are the customers who are prime candidates for the cloud. Just my 2 cents… 

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    Paul Choquette
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    Presumably, you will have to pay for the Server version.

    I agree with Christian. Foundation customers are the prime demographic for moving to Office365. This move makes good business sense. It also will be better to have one set of features to target. 

    As for SPD, I bet we see pieces of it rolled into other places. In-browser workflow and form design would be a good start. Visual Studio Community is another avenue they could take, but I think the tools currently are a little less friendly for the average “power user.”

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    Matt Youngstrom
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    I would be interested to know what percentage of customers are using Foundation and cannot go to the cloud for whatever reason (legal or purely preferential).  These customers are those that are most at risk of leaving the SharePoint-based world for good.

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    Matt Youngstrom
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    They are paying for it through Windows Server licenses and in some cases SQL Server depending on the topology…Microsoft is being paid, even if it is not directly for Foundation.  I always thought that Foundation was a driver for selling Windows licenses and the potential for moving to SharePoint Server was a secondary benefit.

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    Paul Choquette
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    In my experience, companies tend to start out with Server for file shares and AD then realize there is a “free” product to give them a canned intranet. I don’t claim to know anything about their sales and marketing strategy, though. I don’t think MS wants to leave them out entirely. I wouldn’t take this move as MS not caring about these customers. It’s just the right move in support of Office 365 and Azure becoming their focus for revenue.

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    Asif Rehmani
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    An awesome discussion guys. Great points!

    I agree with Matt Y that Microsoft is getting paid through server licenses of Windows and SQL by organizations running Foundation. To me, Foundation was always a critical SKU to get people drinking the SharePoint kool-aid. While O365 is great for what it does, it’s just not there yet (IMHO) to replace the capabilities of Foundation. Throw in security and regulation concerns that many organizations have for whom O365 is not a possibility and you have lost those customers completely.

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    Phil Curtis
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    Indeed managed code farm solutions replaced by Apps is the main crash, everything else O365 has more of, being the bigger edition of course – although they’ve recently and rather suddenly dropped Public Sites on O365 (yet another time investment down the drain…) which naturally you can still do on Foundation / on-prem. You do lose control with any shared SaaS.

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    Phil Curtis
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    And agreed it’s somewhat inevitable that free Foundation drops as SP matures and O365 can be offered instead, although as mentioned it’s certainly not actually free – Windows Server is not cheap anymore (~ £700 for 2 VMs) and SQL Express runs out of 10GB on SP pretty darn quick, so anything more than 25 users (or any anonymous usage) starts at £5.5K for the 4 core minimum. So not a bad introduction, encouraging full SP Server  at another £10K for a cramped but double WFE, let alone scaling SQL.

    Some of our clients only using DMS (ie Doc Libraries with approvals and versioning) for confidential docs they don’t want on cloud – more important than team sites, wikis, blogs etc which they’ll decide on later. So Foundation great at introducing a standard platform spreading further into the business. Even larger corps as well as SMEs often only commit after low budget introductory UAT, so many will simply reject trying it due to upfront cost if they refuse the cloud.

    Good that Bill Baer is reaching out, perhaps a longer 6 month evaluation for SP would substitute free Foundation, or Mark’s even better idea of free on-prem with cloud sub. On-premises is definitely not dead and is the only consideration, as Matt and Asif note, for many naturally defensive, statutory or controlling customers (which is a lot!).

    Foundation will be sorely missed, and requires careful replacement to encourage adoption.

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    Colin Gardner
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    Mmm, I have a public facing web site on O365 at the moment and of course I now understand that this can’t stay there for ever as that capability is deprecated. 

    Microsoft helpfully suggest moving to some other platform for this such as WIX – seriously!  As a SharePoint dude I think it is important (if not essential) that my public face is on SharePoint.  What credibility do I have with customers who look at my site and say “why aren’t you eating your own dog food?”  It’s a rhetorical question – I would have none!

    So, a transition strategy I was considering was to host my site in an Azure VM with SharePoint Foundation.  I have a feeling that this means my proposed approach is completely stuffed unless I pay for server licensing.  Help me out here Microsoft, I’m trying to promote your technology and eek out a living at the same time.

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    Bill Sabey
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    Foundation meets our intranet needs with company news and basic document management. For 10-13,000 users the rent on o365 may be a bit high (not all shop floor users access the intranet). Our rackspace hosting cost is approximately $5000/month.

    To help lobby for a foundation version please add your uservoice votes – http://sharepoint.uservoice.com/forums/282887-customer-feedback-for-sharepoint-server/suggestions/8469364-create-a-sharepoint-2016-foundation 

    otherwise looks like 2013 foundation support is 4/10/2018 – main support and 4/11/2023 – extended.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search?sort=PN&alpha=Microsoft%20SharePoint%20Foundation%202013&Filter=FilterNO

  • Profile photo of Asif Rehmani
    Asif Rehmani
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    Hi Bill,

    Have you looked into how much O365 w/SharePoint Online would cost for you guys? I know the retail cost would be very high for 10-13,000 users, but I have heard from several sources that Microsoft has been discounting it heavily for specific situations.

    If you do find out some estimates on your particular situation, I would love to hear it.

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